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Comments for New Day
This is my new attitude song,
PS - The Joy Williams song in question is called, "Say Goodbye" and NOT "New Day" (although ironically, she has a song called "New Day" as well).
PS - The Joy Williams song in question is called, "Say Goodbye" and NOT "New Day" (although ironically, she has a song called "New Day" as well).
For egr9546 - I did not say you could not broach the subject, rather that to state "plagiarism" as a fact without proper supporting facts and investigation amounts to a drive by assault on someone's character, which I find distasteful. I did try to look and find facts on the two songs. Based on ASCAP's web site
http://www.ascap.com/ace/search.cfm?requesttimeout=300, the song by Joy Williams' copyright is listed as
NEW DAY (Work ID: 440362029
Writers
GRAVES ROBERT DOUGLAS
MCARTHUR JASON D
Performers
JOY WILLIAM
WILLIAMS
Variations
IT'S A NEW DA
BRAND NEW DA
IT S A NEW DA
Publishers/Administrators
NEW SPRING PUBLISHIN
% BMG MUSIC PUBLISHING
ATTN: DIRECTOR OF ROYALTIES
8750 WILSHIRE BLVD.
BEVERLY HILLS , CA, 9021
Tel. (310) 358-470
WONDER WHY MUSIC DOT CO
C/O NEW SPRING PUBLISHIN
C/O UNIVERSAL MUSIC - Z TUNE
2100 COLORADO AVENU
SANTA MONICA, CA, 9040
Tel. (310) 235-470
Contact ASCAP at (212) 621-6000 for other publisher information
And the most I can find on Tamar's song is that Interscope (a subsidiary of UMG - Universal Music Group) holds the copyright and they are listed as a publisher/administrator under ASCAP. I could not find the song itself listed in the time I spent
Anyhow, based on listening, it is the vocal melody in the chorus that is exceptionally similar. The lyrics have enough similarity just in the chorus to be reminiscent, but my best OPINION/GUESS would be that the only thing I can say with a some degree of certainty is whomever composed the music used the melody in the chorus and I have no clue of with or without permission. Since both parties are ASCAP and large companies, I would guess that Interscope has some agreement.
In terms of the lyrics, especially since Tamar refers to Paul McCartney as a big influence, the Hello/Goodbye lyrical twist could have a start there or from any number of songs, but I could not say that the lyrics are taken from anyone with even a moderate degree of certainty.
So that is what I could find out from a little research. It is probably more of a commentary of what happens when someone with a larger company records and producers, studio musicians and many others start getting involved than anything else, but that again is a guess. Also it was interesting that Joy Williams was not listed as a writer, when I saw her listed that way on a number of sites.
In terms of does that make the song not "original" I would say it entirely depends on your personal definition and feelings. Just realize the number of people who contribute to a song is a usually a collaborative effort, especially as the composition gets more complicated and the production is done by a major label with more money spent.
But it's NOT a cover, and you'd have to be deaf or profoundly confused to think so... different rhythm, feel, even the point of the song is not the same.
Her chorus here has ENORMOUS similarities to the Williams song, no doubt about that. Was it "stolen" or "borrowed" or "heavily influenced" by Joy's song? who knows... should we care much? probably not...